Narrator: Sahaj Yoga a Unique discovery and a gift to mankind, such a spiritual journey which was started by our reverend Shri Nirmala Devi in 1970, with few people but today the whole world is associating itself with Sahaj. Viewers, today we will be meeting with Mr Surinder Sahni a resident to Yamuna Nagar, Haryana. So come let us see what he has got in this spiritual journey and which can help us.
Interviewer: Viewers you are welcome in this special presentation of News Dnn, which is related to spirituality and religion and which teaches us simple ways of living life. A journey which was started a few months back with few people and slowly it becomes a crowd. Where we do not have to tell what is the importance of spirituality and religion in our lives rather it becomes a part of your life. Taking this journey forward, Sahaj Yoga a Unique discovery and a gift to mankind. Today our guest is Mr Surinder Sahni a resident of Yamuna Nagar, Haryana. Surinder Ji you are welcome in this News Dnn Studio. Audience every time we have the same question, how you came to Sahaj? What was the reason that he has chosen the path of Sahaj yoga? Surinder Ji on behalf of our audience we would like to know that before we start Sahaj yoga– and seeing all our previous guest we know that they were doing something religiously because people have the tendency of searching the god, no matter what search is within or outside. What was the reason for you to come on this journey?
Mr Surinder Sahni: I would like to talk about my life before coming to Sahaj yoga, from childhood I was inclined towards religious books, like Ramayana and also kept fasts. And especially I used to keep fasts every Monday for Lord Shiva. I used to attend Katha’s. When I reached the class 12th my life took a turn, that I had the company of such friends with whom we used to drink. And from there I got the addition of drinking alcohol. I eventually I got a government job, I was in good position but the habit of drinking didn’t go. At that time my family members were very distressed. My complexion also turned dark, I continued this habit of drinking for 32 years. So my family member was very disturbed they tried everything but nothing worked. And once it happened that my son went to a Sahaj yoga program, and after coming home he said to me this “Father I have got the thing that I was searching all the time”. So he showed me both his hands and said that “See, how cool they are” So I asked him “Where did you go?” he said that “I had gone to attend Shri Nirmala Devi ji’s program, and today my search is over. And I have Identified my mother, she is Adi shakti..” so I have heard all those things that we normally got to hear, so I felt that it might be true. So he requested to go to the centre. So I started going to the centre every week but my habit of drink didn’t stop. I was wanting to get rid of this addiction. But as the evening approaches, I couldn’t resist myself. So one day it so happened that it was Shri Mata ji’s birthday in Ganpatipule, and my son had booked a ticket for me along with all the Sahaj yogis who were going. So I went there, Shri Mataji sat on the stage, and I was sitting amid the crowd of 11k-12k people. But I felt as if she was looking at me. And suddenly my eyes were closed, and tears started falling continuously for half an hour. People who were sitting around me could see me, but they might understand what was happening. So after half an hour when I opened my eyes and saw Shri Mataji and I felt very light and like something was gone from inside, and it happened instantly. And all my addiction ended there only. And after I came back I never touched alcohol since then. So my neighbour and the people of our locality started thinking about what had happened to me? That he left the alcohol? They were thinking “He will resume after a week or so”. And when 4-5 months passed by, everybody was astonished that he was so much changed. And after that, I didn’t have looked back. And I got the abundant blessing of Shri Mataji and automatically bhajan started to flow out from inside. As it is said that your hidden talent come up when you had God’s blessings. So Swadhistan Chakra activated, though previously I used to write kathas now with blessings of Shri Mataji, I started writing Bhajans. And It so happened that next year, I was going to Ambala with my son and suddenly I had a Bhajan coming from within. And it was coming I’ll tell you later. And I wrote the first line and read this to my son and he said it’s a great line. Then I wrote the Antara. And When I completed writing that Bhajan. And we had to go Ganpatipule and we went there and we sang this Bhajan and everybody listened.
Interviewer: In Ganpatipule did you had any special program of Sahaj yoga? Where is Ganpatipule located?
Mr Surinder Sahni: Near the Ratnagiri station in Maharashtra, near the sea beach, very beautiful. And there Shri Mataji’s had come, so they used to arrange every year. So I went there and there was Dr Rajesh he too sings, so I read him the Bhajan and he liked it and said to me to come to the evening. And see the Bhajan that I wrote in the bus I got the chance to sing that and my son to played the dhol. I don’t know who was singing there, it is not we who sang but it was she who was singing. And with blessings of Shri Mataji, as if she is making me write Bhajan, even now also I write. So it’s her grace.
Interviewer: We are interrupting Sahni ji we are going to share interesting fact that in the whole world parents teaches children to work in a righteous and religious path. Tell them drinking alcohol is bad thing, speaking falsely is a bad thing. But here we can see the opposite where parents are being guided by their children to bring them on the right path, the character of the son, the behaviour of the son change father. Sahni Saheb how did it feel to get rid of alcohol addiction.
Mr Surinder Sahni: I felt very good when I used to come from the office and walk through the lanes people used to stare at me like they used to get rid of me. And now I used to tell the same people who want to listen to me that means in the whole locality I have gained respect and love. Also, they got to know that what this person is doing- as we do the program, we work on bhajan we talk about Sahaj yoga to other people and so they have also changed.
Interviewer: It is said that there is no addiction greater than the addition to God there is no bigger addiction than religion and whoever has tasted it he wouldn’t need any other addiction. Saini sahab on behalf of our viewers we would like to know that when you’re drinking alcohol what is the difference you felt in your state of mind after and before coming to Sahaj yoga?
Mr Surinder Sahni: There is a great difference because when I used to reach home after drinking I was a bit afraid at that time. Because I knew that an argument will happen.
Interviewer: That means somewhere you had the guilty feeling? Guilty conscience?
Mr Surinder Sahni: Obviously I had to make excuses like- some officer had come or this and that. And they too used to understand this and thus quarrelling happens. And now the situation is changed now I go home with great pride. And another thing that happened is I have one daughter and two sons and with Shri Mataji’s grace, I arranged their wedding, all three of them in Sahaj. And there is no question of caste and all my daughters-in-law and son-in-law are of the different caste. The husband of my daughter is Marathi and my younger son wed to the family of Chaudhary in Indore and my elder daughter-in-laws is from Sitapur that means they are from different places.
Interviewer: The saying of Vasudev Kutumbakam of ancient times is something that you had practised in real life.
Mr Surinder Sahni: Now I want to tell a beautiful thing that the house in which arguments and fighting used to happen daily, now there I myself sing bhajans, my son plays the dhol. My grandson plays the tabla beautifully and my younger son sings bhajan very good.
Interviewer: If we see this in a different angle
Mr Surinder Sahni: The atmosphere thus created is very beautiful. And we feel a very peaceful experience.
Interviewer: The atmosphere which was previously of debate and argument and of fear, atmosphere which divided family members after coming to Sahaj yoga you personally have developed along with that improvement came in the atmosphere of the family. And as you said that both of your sons are wed in Sahaj yoga, also your daughter. Today Sahaj yoga is practised in more than 140 countries without any barrier of caste, creed and religion there is no money involved in it and it is not something that you have to buy it.
Maybe Sahaj yoga is the experience which changes a person from the inside. You have heard often in the discussions we had with our guest we used to say that this and that problem of yours is cured after coming to Sahaj so audience when the change happens inside any person when the knowledge grows inside then no one has to tell you, that change happens and it happens automatically it is so beautiful that other people will recognise it in you. Today the addiction which is believed to be very common and it is not considered as a big issue and somewhere it has become a status symbol that drinking alcohol is highlighted as a very honourable thing.
But its disadvantages and its role in bringing a chaos in the family. You have heard it from Sahni Saheb, and the life which you get after Sahaj yoga and Sahni Saheb the beauty is that without doing much effort you could get rid of it. Which you’re trying to get rid of, and that ultimately happened.
Mr Surinder Sahni: Now when I listen to Shri Mataji’s cassettes and there Shri Mataji has told that “I wouldn’t ask you to leave it, it will happen automatically” and I could remember my scene, that Shri Mataji hasn’t told me anything and it has been automatically and this is the reality. Whatever she has told is true. Whatever came out of her mouth. And the biggest thing is which I would like to tell people that there is a scarcity of love in homes, brothers could not live together it is because of Shri Mataji’s blessings that all my family is under one roof, so you can think of it as a great benefit in today’s time. In a time when we normally see that brothers living apart from each other, parents living apart. And I think that it is a great blessing of Shri Mataji on me that we have great love any among ourselves and we are living peacefully and there is no argument that happens and I feel very happy.
Interviewer: So what you are talking about is joint family, not only you and your sons but your brothers and their family too are living together. Sahni Ji are they doing Sahaj yoga too?
Interviewer: Well my family means, me and my sons as I do not have any brother. And I would like to say one thing about happiness that when I meet all my Samdhis (Father-in-laws of son and daughter) with all their families I feel as if that I had opened a centre in my house.
Interviewer: Absolutely because they are all Sahaj yogis.
Mr Surinder Sahni: And our relatives we want them to do but we can’t convince them but we do our actions and they can see us.
Interviewer: This is a very important aspect that you have brought that after marriage we see a difference between two families and it is seen especially in India when in-laws meet each other and with all our traditions and Customs there is a difference between the two families. What differences do you feel between this relation in Sahaj yoga and outside of it?
Mr Surinder Sahni: In Sahaj yoga when we meet each other.
Interviewer: Mainly if we talk about in-laws be it from your sons or daughter’s(in-laws)
Mr Surinder Sahni: So when we meet each other we could understand each other’s feelings and we have blessings of Shri Mataji and its reason is that because if we say something Harsh to one another– As Mataji have told us to do meditation 2 times a day morning and in evening why it is necessary? Because when we sit in meditation we could realise that if we have spoken something bad to others in the day.
Interviewer: Yes it is the introspection.
Mr Surinder Sahni: And so you regret yourself that I shouldn’t have done this. And we do not repeat it next time. So these are very small things.
Interviewer: Friends a very beautiful thing which is constantly coming up in our discussion is that change which happens in a personal level, as Sahni Saheb had told that his children are wed in Sahaj so its one benefit which is visible, a problem in our society that after marriage the two families had their differences. And a beautiful thing that he has said that his whole family live together and which is very very hard in the present Times. Maybe somewhere there is a spiritual bond. And somewhere we feel that marriage is not about two peoples but it is about two families, and when these two families meet emotionally and Ideally and spiritually in Sahaja Yoga and we hope that in coming years we will have such a society which will be beyond malice and evil.
Saini sahab we would like to continue our discussion you have talked about your addiction and then you have talked about writing bhajans and one thing that you said which our viewers might not have understood about swadhisthana Chakra. It is told by Shri Mataji that there is some system in our body which we will discuss elaborately in future if we discuss it with some Sahaj Yogi. Where your talents and hidden qualities awaken automatically, and maybe it is the truth of swadhisthana Chakra. We would like to know from Sahni Saheb that when you came to Sahaj yoga one that is your addiction was gone and your relationship with your family members became ease. And you took a drastic step and you arrange their marriages in Sahaj. The changes that happened quality wise if world concentrates only on creativity then maybe all our problems may get solved. How is your feeling?
Mr Surinder Sahni: Very beautiful, with Shri Mataji’s grace when I sit to write something I do not know from where those words come it is as if someone is sending them to me maybe it is Shri Mataji. There is no specific time that when I write bhajans it depends upon the situation if I sit in meditation then from somewhere wordings come.
Interviewer: There is an energy which looks after us.
Mr Surinder Sahni: And it also happens that when I am sleeping and in my mind I am thinking about any Antara of a bhajan. And I immediately wake up and write those in a diary so that I may not forget it.
Interviewer: Sahni Sahib please tell us two lines that you have wrote or that you can remember, and after that, we would like to have a message from you that people why should they do Sahaja Yoga? What is so special about it?
Mr Surinder Sahni: Through this program, I would like to give the message is that the biggest problem in us is that we say bad about others and she Mataji shares it is ok.
ना कहो अगर बुरा कहे कोई,
ना कहो अगर बुरा करे कोई,
ना सुनो अगर बुरा कहे कोई,
श्री मां की यह बात सब मानो,
बख्श दो अगर खता करें कोई
Do not say anything if someone says wrong to you
Do not say anything if someone does wrong to you
Do not listen if someone says wrong to you
Everyone listen to what Shri Mataji says
Forgive them no matter what mistake they do.
Interviewer: Audience this was our meeting with Sri Surinder Sahni Ji, how did he came to Sahaj yoga and what are the changes that happened to him and what are the qualities that came in front. We do not have to tell that you he have told everything from his own mouth. Sahaj yoga a unique Discovery and a gift to mankind. And I think its title justified there is nothing to tell that if without making any effort your religion awaken and without saying anything if it starts walking in the path of truth and without telling anything seeing the changes in their child, if parents also changed then it is always a unique Discovery and it is such a gift to mankind and which will always be remembered in coming centuries. We will again meet with the new personality we will continue this journey which will continuously go on for today give us permission to leave namaskar.
Narrator: Viewers this was our meeting with Mr Surinder Sahni. We hope that this journey will giving you something may be satisfaction in your spiritual and your family life. We will soon meet some new guest until then gives us permission to leave namaskar.