Narrator: Friends Sahaj yoga: A unique discovery and a gift to mankind it is a spiritual journey which let us meet that religion with which we were born and that religion is of humanity and to accept all and to born with human body to live a good life and not only that to help others and maybe this is the objective of our lives and because of this we come and how beautifully Dr Nigam has did that let us come and listen from him about his spiritual journey in Sahaj yoga how it began and which difficulties he faced while walking in this journey.
Interviewer: This is a special presentation of News Dnn Sahaja Yoga: a unique Discovery and gift to make and I am Sonia Bhatia once again welcome all of you viewers. Our journey is continuing today we will meet Dr Suresh Nigam a veteran Sahaj Yogi. Doctor ji we would like to know how and when you started your journey in Sahaj yoga?
Dr SC Nigam: See this is a very long story. I am a resident of UP, I used to do a lot of private practice, I was a very successful private practitioner. In a very early age I had tasted success, so somehow I got the habit of late night parties, drinking. When our wealth increased, everybody suggested us to relocate to Delhi. And meanwhile, my appointment was fixed in Iraq so I told my wife that we will make our children’s passport in Delhi. But all our relatives requested us not to go to Iraq and to settle in Delhi, so we got settled in Delhi in 1980 and I started practicing here and again I was in that same daily routine, I was doing late night party, I used to drink and smoke. And all of a sudden within six months of coming to Delhi, in a fine morning when I wake up I had a severe paralytic stroke and that stroke was so severe that I couldn’t change position in bed for two months. And my situation became like I wouldn’t able to eat because my tongue got paralyzed, whenever I tried hard to eat something I would mistakenly chew my tongue and often it bleeds because of cuts. I couldn’t able to talk to people because they could not understand me and the biggest of all was I was not able to sleep.
Interviewer: This was the incident when you were not in Sahaj?
Dr SC Nigam: Yes. And after that as my condition was very poor and being a doctor myself I used to go Medical Institute Delhi and did physiotherapy and after one year they said doctor sahab I am very sorry we couldn’t help you anymore. We fear that you have to live like that and they have given me a certificate for physically handicapped. And in the past 13 months, my condition was such that I would able to sleep only 1.5 hours out of 24 hours and couldn’t eat food.
All the name and fame that I had was gone, I had good income earlier. So as people say that I was bereft from Tan, Man aur Dhan (body, mind and money). And being a doctor I knew that if someone is suffering from paralysis he would might get cure within 6-7 months and as I was in my 13th month so I was sure that there was no chance of getting cure. And I just became a cabbage so I talked to my wife politely and very calmly that “see I have become a burden, if you love me then let me die” and I told her that “I want to commit suicide” she said “What are you talking?” I told her “What is the use of such life” in this interval a gentleman came in our house and he came to ask for some address. Luckily he too was from Kanpur.
So he came and sat on our drawing room and was asking about the address. And at that time I didn’t used to come to our drawing room for weeks. My condition was such that I used to get horrified looking at my reflection in mirror, saliva dripping from mouth, I couldn’t say anything. And I used to have feeling of shame on seeing myself. After knowing that he was from Kanpur I came to drawing room, I needed support to sit there and stand up from there. So he asked “What happen to you Doctor sahib?” I said “Brother, I had paralysis” then he said “but you are a doctor and will not believe me but just to honour my words you at least do Sahaj yoga for 15 days”. I said “sir I do not believe in Yoga” so he said “you do it for at least 15 days and after that if you want you can leave it because there is no question of money” so the love with which he had told me this so I decided to do it. So I asked him “what I have to do” he said I live nearby and center is run in my house, so you can come in saturday. So they said about kundalini awakening which I didn’t believe. So I went to their house in Saturday, it was a 10 x 12 size room and 8 to 10 people were sitting there and it was started 10 minutes after I reached and out of that 5-6 people went away and only two three peoples remained. So they make me sit in front of them and they started raising my Kundalini from behind and they told me “to tell them if I feel cool breezes coming out of my hand”
Interviewer: So doctor sahab did you feel the cool vibrations there?
Dr SC Nigam: No I didn’t feel anything in first time. Again when they tried for second time I said “no” then he asked me “do you have a Guru?”
I said “no I do not have any Guru”, then the next thing they asked “do you follow someone?”
I said “I do not follow anyone, but once when I was studying in class 10th I went with my friend to a temple as he got first class marks so we went to offer prasad to the god. There I said to Hanuman Ji that “Oh, God if I get first division marks then I will also offer Prasad” so maybe I did offered 3-4 anna’s Prasad for three to four weeks”.
So they said that “you please forget Hanuman Ji for 2-3 minutes”.
So I replied that “no matter if I experience cool breeze or not but I will not forget Hanuman Ji” so they saw my attitude and there was one wise person among them who said to me to ask mata ji if you are Hanuman ji? the moment I asked ” Shri Mataji are you Lord Hanuman?” then I felt cool breezes immediately. Now I was very confused being a doctor that how cool Breeze can come out of hands so I felt that they were hypnotizing me from back.
While they were doing their work from behind they said to me twice that “whatever you like you can ask” I said “whatever I like?” they said “yes anything” so I was starting to speak but they told me to ask in my mind” so I asked the question in mind and people who are sitting behind me they were telling me “Dr Sahib what question have you asked that so much of hot Breeze is coming out?” I said ” I have asked a very nasty question” they asked “what?”
I said “I have asked Mataji do you safeguard dacoits?” so hot breeze was coming and I was very confused. “sometimes it is hot, sometimes it is cold what is happening?”
I asked them “can I ask another question”
they said “yes” so I asked another question and this time cold air was came out
and they asked “what question have you asked that cold breeze is now blowing this time?”
I aked Shri Mataji are you the avatar of Durga? So now cold air came out. So I was very very confused because in medical science there is no such phenomenon of hot Breeze and cold breeze. But then also my suspicion didn’t got over and after doing something from behind and they told me to come next week “now you can go”. When I was about to exit then they called me and said “Sahib you do this tonight before going to sleep, take one fourth of water in a bucket and mix handful of salt in it and put both of your legs inside it and they had given me a photo of Shri Mataji and told me to sit in front of that photo opening both the hands like this”.
So I kept the photo, without any frame and placed it over the table and started meditating upon it and on the very first day I slept at night in 11 pm and in the morning my wife went outside for some work at 8am And when she returned in 11 a.m.
Interviewer: Few moments ago you have told that your condition was such that you could barely sleep for only 2 hours maximum. That means the sahaja yoga that you did for one day has impact for which you were able to sleep all the night.
Dr SC Nigam: So as I have told you that my wife went outside for little work in the morning and when she returned, and she saw me in the same position as I was while sleeping at night so she thought that I had died. So she wake me up and after 13 months I had slept for so many hours so I felt very peaceful, so I immediately called Mr Verma “sir I feel very good” but he said very casually that “these things happen in Sahaj yoga you just carry on doing this”.
So I continue it doing it for four-five days. One day it so happened that my wife was bathing so she locked the front door and someone rang the bell. I was sitting in the chair, I used to walk with the help of crutches so without any support I went and opened that door. It was a reflex action. And after opening the door I came back and when I sat, and then I suddenly realised that today I walked without the help of crutches and within 10 days of it my wife said that whatever you say is understandable now earlier I couldn’t understand what you are saying. And it is my good fortune that Shri Mataji came 15 and 16th day after I joined Sahaj yoga. In those days there is to be only hundred peoples in public programs.
She sat on the stage there was a chair. And when she speaking about awakening everybody’s Kundalini, but there I couldn’t raise my hand, she noticed that and in middle of the program she called me on stage. She asked ‘What happened to you?’
I said ” Shri Mataji I had paralysis” so she said ” do not worry you will be alright” so the first question I asked Shri Mataji that “I am improving but in past 15 days they haven’t given me any medicine, now that I met you, then please tell me how I am getting well?” I could see that I was getting well I have sleep I had hunger and everything was peaceful but the question is how I was improving?
Interviewer: Yes you didn’t had any medicine.
Dr SC Nigam: No medication, I had a mind of a doctor, I was very egoistic person. So I asked shri mataji that “Shri Mataji how I am getting well?” then after listing to that she said “do a research on that” I said ” Shri Mataji I do not know anyone “she said no no you just try”.
Luckily my brother-in-law U.C Ray he was head of the department of physiology in Lady Hardinge Medical College. I went to him, I said “Umesh Bhai do some research on it, it will be a great subject” he replied “Suresh the thing is many people have spent too much upon yoga and achieved no positive result and it was the time of ‘84-85 and government is not interested in granting any money on yoga” I insisted that “you atleast try” so he stop the conversation.
After that I went to mother I said to her all the thing she said “don’t worry he will come” and see the circumstances that U.C Roy himself became ill and he had to get admit for one day and then Shri Mataji send four of us doctors to hospital and all of them were foreigner, and there we work on him and he got well with in one day. Then he came and met Saw Mataji and then he started the research on it and eventually two doctors from Delhi got the MD designation and it is the first time when any doctor received any MD degree on doing research on yoga. And from there Sahaj yoga was started and after that in different parts of the world scientifically it was proven, with mother’s grace I given lecture in Mendeley college in Australia, in Italy, London, America, in Russia I have been there for many times. In every places research was carried out. Sahaj yoga is scientific, no matter how big the doctor is they might have reached plexus.
If you operate a body first you will get plexus what is plexus and how it works no one knows and these plexus works through the seven chakras.
Shri Mataji is the one who have told us this for the first time it is also written in our Vedas, not only that, she practically demonstrated it. She not just only demonstrated it but she had given you that power so that you can show others also.
Like she had given me the vibrations if I work on you, you too will get the vibration there is only one requirement that is you should have that desire of getting it. Sahaj yoga is completely free thing the only shortcomings of Sahaj yoga is that it is so simple that people doesn’t believe that Kundalini can be awakened so easily.
Interviewer: How your faith came upon Sahaj? You joined Sahaj yoga in 1981 while you’re telling that in 1984 Dr U.C Rai became ill and was admitted to hospital.. That instance. What happened in this journey that your faith became more pronounced in Sahaja Yoga?
Dr SC Nigam: Today I can say that it was all Shri Mataji’s play. When I came to Sahaj there were only two people who had motor cars one was Mr Venugopal and second was Mr Subramaniam and they were both government servant and there was no one to be with
Shri Mataji. And I was like unemployed because of my paralysis, though I was recovering and started working and I could drive. So I was given the responsibility to be with Shri Mataji for 24×7.
My children were small at that time. After having the breakfast we all would go to mother’s place in Vasant Vihar at 9:00 am and on the ground floor there was mother’s bed and a table and we used to sit in the floor and our children would play on another side. And Shri Mataji never mentioned anything about Sahaja Yoga, she used to talk with my wife about sarees like “where you find good sarees” and “you are Kayastha” she used to talk about our weaknesses.
Though I didn’t understand this behaviour but I liked sitting there, as if there was something that was attracting us.
Interviewer: You didn’t wanted to come back from there.
Dr SC Nigam: Yes, Mother used to finish her lunch at 2 P.M and for 5 minutes we used to massage her legs and then we use to hurriedly run from there after coming to home we batting and ate a little and again returned to Shri Mataji because from 6 p.m we used to have daily public program on those times.
Interviewer: Doctor sahab when you were with Shri Mataji you never feel that you were with some big personality it was almost like there is a mother like person who is sitting and you are just caring for her and you are connected to her.
Dr SC Nigam: This was her speciality that she never let anyone feel that she is such a big personality until the end. We didn’t knew who she was when she was with us in her mortal avatar. But now we could understand how big personality she was.
Recently in France research was carried out for the god particle where trillions of dollars were spent. That knowledge was given to us free of cost by Shri Mataji. And they are up to that knowledge. She always used to say that you love me like you love your mother. It was the basic of Sahaja Yoga today people are changing the definition. Sahaj means simple you just consider Shri Mataji as your own mother and keep your heart clean and see what happens and within 10 to 15 days you will have the positive changes in you if you are doing it honestly.
Interviewer: Only you need the will and Desire.
Dr SC Nigam: Only Desire, nothing is necessary. As a doctor I tell you to do it for 15 days if it gives you benefit then continue doing it and if not, then stop. But I am sure that no one who had desired it and haven’t got the result. I haven’t seen a person who has desired and he hasn’t got it. I have seen because I always been with Shri Mataji and she had bestowed on me many works. Like she used to order me like “this is the problem treat it”. I remembered in Russia and in Australia, in a medical conference we have videos of it also I openly told them that you never believe my word. There is no treatment for a migraine I can say that in Sahaj yoga people were cured of migraines 100%. Wife of Dr U.C Ray ate two tablets in the morning and two tablets in the noon and two tablets in the night. Because of a Migraine. But she was cured completely.
Interviewer: Whereas we know that we do not get the good treatment generally?
Dr SC Nigam: The treatment of a migraine in Sahaja Yoga is so simple that once you listen to it you will laugh and even doctors will laugh too. And in reality, I have treated so many patients by keeping ice over the liver. But before that, they have to take self-realization.
Interviewer: How do we get this realisation?
Dr SC Nigam: See, there is a lamp which has a fire now it can lighten more lamps. So the person whose Kundalini is awakened this through his grace other peoples Kundalini will also rise. This is the only work no other work is there previously Kundalini Jagran was a bit difficult task and now Kundalini Jagran is made so simple by Shri Mataji that people do not believe in it.
Interviewer: It is a lightened lamp through which we can lighten many lamps as possible and the lighter we have.
Dr SC Nigam: You have said it perfectly the more you lighten the Lamps the brighter you become. This is the beauty of this.
Interviewer: Dr Sahab after listening to this it is obvious that if someone’s Kundalini is awakened then he can get rid of any kind of medical problem?
Dr SC Nigam: See, your question is correct but there are many problems like someone’s bone is broken so you have to do the Plaster and yes with plaster if you can give vibration if normally it takes two months to join the bones it will take only one month. This was a small example that I am giving after doing sahaja yoga your mental, psychological, social and spiritual every aspect improves. And the biggest enemy of a person is his thoughts either he is thinking about the future or about the past, when you come to Sahaja Yoga you don’t think about the past or about the future. So automatically your tension finishes. What is tension? nowadays people often say that when 78 years ago when there was no television and people had no tension it is not a true statement. Tension was there at that time also but there was no awareness about it no one knew about it. Today if a person dies people all over the worlds came to know about within half an hour. And human intelligence also have improved if you see children’s of today are very intelligent we haven’t done anything but their intelligence is automatic. So you can say that evolution is happening. Your intelligence and your knowing Around The World acts against you this creates tension inside you.
Interviewer: Dr Sahib you have been associated with Sahaj yoga for a long time but today yoga is so much widely spread and there are so many types of yoga and now it is kind of commercialized and how you can differentiate sahaja yoga with them and how it is different?
Dr SC Nigam: When Shri Mataji had started Sahaj yoga in 1970 initially she worked upon seven pieces. But the real work started from ‘76 and ‘77. From those days till now I am a very Skeptic, I do not believe something blindly and in those days no one had talked about vibrations. But now if you surf the T.V channels you will see that everybody is talking about vibrations. I remember that in 1985– I can say his name, no one had talked about vibrations whereas Shri Mataji had already written a complete book upon it.
But what Shri Mataji had given till today these gurus didn’t know. They say vibration come. We asked “how they come and why they come? and say how are our vibrations? and which chakra is weak” they do not know this. But this was told in Sahaj yoga for the first time, therefore, we always say that sahaja yoga is today’s Maha Yoga, one who has got it he doesn’t need anything to do after that. Like first it was started with Patanjali yoga he said that “you do Yam, Niyam, Asan, Pranayam, pratyahara, dharana, dhyana and Samadhi” Samadhi is the last.
But here Shri Mataji had given samadhi at first and then tell you how she got this knowledge. This is actually Gyan Yoga. Once you get the knowledge all your problems will go away.
Interviewer: So you want to say that in Sahaj yoga we come to Samadhi at first and after that, we do other works. But other people tell us that after putting on our effort like after doing japa, tapa etc then the last objective is Samadhi.
Dr SC Nigam: Its reason is that it is very hard to reach the last stage you say that you do Yama, niyama, asana and do meditation all the time now it has become a fashion to say that I am doing meditation ask him “what meditation is?”
Meditation starts when you are thoughtlessly aware, when you are in thoughtless Samadhi after that meditation is a started. But before that, you are just trying to go to meditation. Here when you go to meditation you will have the cool breeze coming out of your hand. Once the your Kundalini is awakened you stop discriminating people on basis of religion that whether he is Hindu, Muslim, Sikh and Christian… You started to follow every religion and this is the biggest thing here.
Interviewer: HereI want to ask that can Sahaj yoga be done by people of all the religion?
Dr SC Nigam: Any person from any the religion. I have a friend who is Pakistani born who has done MBBS in London, my friendship with him goes back to 83-84 onwards, then his marriage was held in Australia and he is now settled there and if I called him and chat with him about Ganesh Ji many big Scholars will get ashamed but he is a Muslim he is Pakistani. In every religion, the ultimate goal is love.
When your Kundalini is awakened your heart will be filled with love and every religion talks about love. Therefore Sahaj yoga is today’s Maha Yoga and there is a proof for that and the biggest thing is that there is no money involved. Initially, I was the in charge in the 1980s, on those times we had Shri Mataji’s picture for 1 rupees, so we gave people the photos for 2-3 months. So Shri Mataji have told that “no you will not give people this photos in exchange for money, you will be giving them personally. Otherwise, people will think that it is a business”.
So from that day till now, we are distributing Shri Mataji’s pictures for free. So that you can get the benefit, many people are getting the benefit all over the world.
Interviewer: Doctor Sahab you say that why should people do Sahaja Yoga and people like you who are associated with Sahaja Yoga and how this is spread to peoples so that all the common person can take benefit of this yoga.
Dr SC Nigam: Why we should do Sahaja Yoga? The biggest thing is that I ask everybody in the morning that what you want to do? Some say that I need money, I need a place to live, to get good food and when we ask people who have everything they say “I need peace” .
So ultimately one who have a lot of money he is in pain and also who is very poor he too is in pain. Someone asked me a question “why should we believe God?” you need happiness but for that, you want to a motor car, house, cash when you do not get happiness from it then your Chitta goes automatically of upward.
So ultimately all person have to do this because you want happiness. We have seen that most popular person, most wealthy and a person who was loved by all whose name was Michael Jackson he was famous world over, everyone know him. He had everything but ultimately see what became of his life because too much money do not give you satisfaction also without money you will not get satisfaction, therefore you should try to keep yourself in middle when you will be in middle then you will be at peace.
I am giving you an example, if you take cow, buffalo, goat, dog and cat etc all can float in water but when you put a person in the water he drowns, does water have any personal enmity with him. But if you kill that person and throw him in the water he will be floating. How interesting it is that a living person drowns in water but a dead person does not because there is no fear in it. All the problems that people face are due to fear that “what will happen tomorrow or day after that”. And in Sahaja Yoga, all of these fears go out of you this is its speciality. Therefore everybody should practice Sahaja Yoga for peace, for satisfaction and the biggest thing that person doesn’t know whomever you ask he needs power, money this and that but the main thing that he needs he doesn’t know about that is he needs satisfaction. Happiness brings temporary satisfaction but satisfaction brings you permanent happiness and you will be satisfied when your Kundalini is awakened and you will become satisfied and you will get detached from all the illusion and attachments.
Interviewer: Doctor Sahab the things that you are telling about Sahaja yoga how would you spread this to a common man?
Dr SC Nigam: Sahaj yoga is a live activity like you sow a seed it needs water, air and sunlight. In that way when your Kundalini is awakened it is like a living seed and to grow that plant we have to do meditation daily and if we can practice meditation with two three technique as prescribed by Sahaj yoga, 10-15 minutes a day if you practice. There is no money involved you do it and seeing the changes inside you other people will also start doing it and seeing them others will also do. The speciality of Sahaj is previously teacher used to pass on Knowledge to one disciple, but now you can give mass realisation. Like 100 people are sitting in front of you, you can give realisationto all.
Interviewer: Like we have sowed the seed how many seeds can come out of that plant now it depends on that seed.
Dr SC Nigam: No not on that seed but it depends upon that land where the seed was sown. Because if the land is not fertile then seed would not germinate. So that land is your desire, your willpower. If you have the willpower. I have seen it in Italy where a boy who was a drug addict he was brought in a stretcher and Shri Mataji did some work upon him and on the third day he became normal, I have seen it. These are few things which you believe only when you see it with your own eyes.
Interviewer: So this was our meeting with Nigam Ji who is connected with the field of science but then also he gets connected with this religious path not only that he joined sahaj Yoga, but he always tries so that others may take its benefit. He have spread Sahaj Yoga to so many people. We will continue this journey of meetings new people but for today I take you permission to bid adieu. Namaskar.
Narrator: Friends we will continue this journey, Travellers will change and every change Traveller will somehow give something that will ease our objective of life. So we take your permission we will meet with you with the traveller, with a new experience.: