Narrator: Friends in this spiritual journey Dr Ira Joshi is going to be joining us. Who is by profession is a doctor from Bhopal. Let us listen from her how did she choose this spiritual path being in this profession and what things that she achieved in this spiritual journey.
Interviewer: Friends this is a special presentation of News Dnn Sahaja Yoga a unique Discovery and gift to mankind. Once again I welcome all of you in this special episode a special series which let you meet with people who are facing troubles in their life, who have controlled these situations, not just only they cope with those situations but they also understood the responsibility to share their experiences after having the spiritual awakening with the whole world. So, friends, we welcome you on a show where we meet people from around the world who have brought positive changes in their life after adopting Sahaja Yoga.
So we will be meeting Dr Ira Joshi today, you are very very welcome in News Dnn studio. The first question that comes is it is a big challenge to have an attraction towards religion. Because the environment that we get from childhood whatever knowledge that we get we have been told in that you have to get education and become a big personality. But there is no clear-cut definition of a big personality, which we/ society dream about our children of becoming a big personality is mainly becoming very rich who have great status and we’ll be achieving those big things somewhere he misses small happiness like that of family. The condition of today is that everything in life is seen in a business perspective, we are forgetting the values and spiritual values of life, we do not care much about them. It is like a mad race from day to night of becoming someone. Ira ji how your journey began in Sahaj yoga?
Dr Ira Joshi: I came to Sahaj yoga in 2002.
There used to be a woman who came to me in my clinic so she suggested me to visit centre for at least once. I overlooked it for a few months. Then one day I told about this to my husband who is professionally an engineer and at that time children were young.
Interviewer: He too is in Sahaj?
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes he is, in fact, we all four peoples that is including my children are in Sahaj. We were given the address of a centre near us, I said OK let us go and see what happens there just for the experience. So we went there it was at walkable distance, there we found an old woman and there realisation of others were going on. She said you please wait and take self-realization. So we stayed there and we had wonderful experience–
Interviewer: Sorry for interrupting you in the middle. What is self-realization? Our audience would like to know that.
Dr Ira Joshi: Actually I didn’t know that, we were told to sit there and “you will get self-realization”. I had never done any study upon these subjects nor we had read any scripture or philosophy, though I was good at studies and proceed towards the objective of becoming doctor and so I became a doctor. Got married and got the job and I started working in a hospital. And in that interval this incident happened and when I went there they said me to open my arm and sit and “you will have some feeling which we call self-realization” and we felt a great experience in both the hands and the head.
Until then they didn’t knew I’m a doctor, then I said to them that I was a doctor, physician. Then they told me that all the things are working medical wise. Then I told them I’m a doctor and they gave me a book “Medical Science enlightened” they said “you take this book and study this thoroughly’.and anyways I loved reading books–
Interviewer: That means they tried to convince you that “we have medical knowledge so if you do Sahaj yoga so you’ll be doing something scientific”.
Dr Ira Joshi: So they gave me the book and it was a broad book and as I liked reading books, therefore, I read the book in detail, Shri Mataji had beautifully had described everything that how she scientifically correlated the Sahaj Yoga, the complete study was there plus there was mentioned of medical researches, some of them were conducted in the colleges and hospital in Delhi as research topic of MD who were allotted there. And that was all scientific.
Interviewer: Ira Ji tell me one thing, with the professional background, you are MBBS and MD yourself and you were doing government job and after that you came to Sahaj. What was your mindset because in today’s date it is told that science is everything and how much true it is and this is not a short time it is now 15 years that you are doing this so my question is how are you continuing this for 15 years,being a doctor.
Dr Ira Joshi: The mentality of doctor is such that they don’t believe in anybody that easily. So I read it properly and so we started going there for many months we felt very good. My husband used to accompany me also my children and also the Sahaj Yogi who were practicing there told us other benefits of doing Sahaj yoga that many kind of diseases are cured and improvement comes in personality of people and I have the tendency of going towards alternative practice means I used to study what benefits we can get from alternative medicines apart from the mainstream. So I read and listened to all the lectures of Shri Mataji and show videos and also I noticed some of the points that she Mataji have told in medical terms. And therefore I liked it gradually. And I practically used to identify many people around me as Shri Mataji have told about what personality and respective changes in people. Like if his chakra is bad–
Interviewer: Means you had practically tried to understand that thing.
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes, until and unless I find it really ok. When I have studied it and find that Sahaj yoga is totally scientific. There Shri Mataji has described our subtle system, it totally works on the autonomic nervous system that is it work automatically. For example, after we eat food what happens to food that is the digestion happens on its own we do not have to do anything, we do not have to do anything for breath it happens automatically. So in autonomic nervous system everything happens on its own. In medical textbooks about the autonomic nervous system it is written on the top that we do not know much about the autonomic nervous system. And Incredibly Shri Mataji has done all her work on that only. For me, it was quite fascinating because only working on the autonomic nervous system. Then getting the feeling in hands I didn’t believe it easily at first and also I didn’t understand how we feel the breeze in our hand but it happens.
Interviewer: But it happens. And it is happening for 15 years?
Dr Ira Joshi: It is. And the experience is continuing.
Interviewer: As it is said that evidence doesn’t require proof.
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes as I can feel–
Interviewer: The feeling was teeling you that whatever you have read is true?
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes.
Interviewer: Sure?
Dr Ira Joshi: Sure.
Interviewer: Audience, we are having an interesting conversation right now and we have Dr Ira Joshi, MBBS and MD. She is talking about Medical Science as she is a doctor and she treats people but she has her faith in that almighty doctor also. Who treats us all. Ira Ji please continue your story. That helped you to stick with Sahaj.
Dr Ira Joshi: You do not have to do anything special you get automatically gets attracted towards it. The feeling comes from inside that I should sit in meditation because it’s objective is thoughtless awareness. And when you become thoughtless you become connected with ultimate peace and it is very incredible then your desires become fulfilled and the more experience we gather the paths open up automatically.
Interviewer: Doctor does it make it limited that those who are suffering and physically unfit should only do Sahaj yoga?
Dr Ira Joshi: Nothing like this. No one from among us was ill. We automatically get attracted towards it. Only we had the desire to know about it. There are many people who come to Sahaj who do not have any disease or illness.
Interviewer: So it is not only a centre for treating diseases that is what you are trying to say.
Dr Ira Joshi: Actually Sahaja Yoga does not claim that it can treat any illness or disease it is in itself a unique organisation. Illnesses cures automatically after you come in Sahaj yoga. A healthy body is a byproduct of Sahaja Yoga meditation, in fact, you get more than that. Often we have heard in Shri Mataji’s lecture that she said in ancient times our Rishi munis didn’t practice yoga and meditation not because they were afraid of having high BP or having diabetes or any kind of heart disease that because they wanted to get connected with God. And when you get connected to the god all of this thing happens automatically, in fact, they didn’t occur.
Interviewer: When we do Sahaja Yoga meditation first what happens is experience, though it depends upon person to person, as you have told this thing that when ancient Rishi Muni’s used it to get connected to God they didn’t need any medicine and they used to remain healthy because they were connected to God. So does after doing Sahaj yoga a person gets connected to god this is what you are telling?
Dr Ira Joshi: There is a energy inside us when the child is in Mother’ womb this energy enters through the anterior fontanelle area which we called Bramharandra in scriptures.
Interviewer: When does it happen?
Dr Ira Joshi: When a baby is two and a half months inside the mother’s womb. And medical we know that it is the same time when Heartbeat starts. Before that, it is the only body of cells and heartbeat starts after around two and a half months.
Which you can call embryo and so at that period this energy enters, then it creates three channels and seven energy centres and medically, around those centres endocrine glands are found and around them are aortic plexus and plexus like this. For example, aortic plexus, solar plexus, cervical plexus and this all things are around those centres which is termed by Shri Mataji as energy centres.
Interviewer: And in terms of yoga terminology it is called Urja Kendra.
Dr Ira Joshi: And she Mataji have correlated it that in reality it happens at that time and regarding hormones we know that there are ductless glands and the functionality is very mysterious and Medical Science now also didn’t know exactly how they work and we got to know this after we came to Sahaj yoga. So after this energy enters body, it creates three channels and seven energy centres and all the organs which are located around this energy
centres these centres take care of them anatomically location wise and also physiologically that is according to its structure and way of working and the work that happens inside them is controlled by these centres.
Interviewer: Dr Ira but we every time think that we have done this and that, but in reality, we have not done anything.
Dr Ira Joshi: Everything is done by God.
Interviewer: Being in the area of medicine for such a long time when a doctor tell this, there are many things about which human being till now doesn’t have any knowledge. That means somehow we are till now standing in a zone where we think that we have become so much knowledgeable but the real knowledge is very far from us.
Viewers, we will continue our discussion with Dr Ira Joshi. Ira ji you talk about human Physiology and embryo, that a child is born and with birth we have many desires and we started running in a race and maybe it is the reason for our diseases, what we want to know from you that in Sahaj yoga how you define those things because you are a doctor yourself, I do not have to mention this because a doctor never tells that “without this medicine your problem can be solved” because it would hamper his own business. It is the responsibility of a doctor to treat his patient mentally as well as physically because we all know that by giving medicines it will not cure the patient but until and unless a patient receives mental peace from his doctor he cannot become cure so how you are serving this responsibility as a doctor.
Dr Ira Joshi: I would like to tell you about the person that Shri Mataji have described that the subtle system that we have inside our body she had told us about right sided and left sided personality. Persons who are very lazy and do a lot of complaints and often become ill and their body resistance is low and they catch infections often.
Interviewer: And who thinks more?
Dr Ira Joshi: Who thinks more about the past so the left side of the subtle channel inside our body makes us thinks of the past. Though it is important for us to remember our past, as we have our own memories but if someone indulges all the time in past and always thinks about it and therefore his personality becomes like that. He is of dull and lazy nature. remains sad.
Interviewer: Sorry for interfering in the middle, you have mentioned about thinking of the past, but somewhere down the line we are social beings and it is a truth that we cannot live without our past, we always bash the bad things and we boast of about the good things, because both are the realities of our life so how we can get out of it?
Dr Ira Joshi: See the thing as you can think of past but don’t stay there. It is a message from Shri Mataji don’t indulge in past. But if a person is indulging all the time in the past if it is a good thing then it is ok it satisfies his ego and something bad has happened like some bad incident happened or he has some fight or he had loses in business or someone had done something in his service or his boss scolded him, in fact, this happens with children also like if teacher told him something harsh and also it happens in college and but if they stick to that matter all the time–
Interviewer: That means you want to say is it is not bad to recall our past but to sticking to it is wrong.
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes, sticking to it is wrong.
Interviewer: I think you will say the same thing about the right side.
Dr Ira Joshi: On the right side is someone who always thinks of future all the time and always engaged in it. Thinking about money, thinking about the power, they are extremist in every field be it fashion be it a teacher or Science teacher–
Interviewer: But Ira ji from where this extremism starts and where it ends?
Dr Ira Joshi: It depends individually but if it starts to harm, until and unless you are negatively affected both mentally and physically that is when it is damaging your body and your mind then it is obviously harmful to you.
People who are very aggressive and very fighting in nature, who have a tendency of self-advertisement, like “I have done it” and their diseases are also seen in the higher side and in left-sided personality, they are on always in the lower side.
Interviewer: We want that you inform our audience about what are the diseases that people of left-sided personality suffers?
Dr Ira Joshi: Like the tendency of the body always goes towards laziness so all the diseases which you can correlate with laziness, like their BP will be low and problems related to that, he will be suffering from hemoglobin and anaemia and he will be suffering from problems relating to that, his body resistance will be lower and therefore he will be caught by infections easily, he have joint pain and muscle pain all the time, they always complain about pain in their hand and leg. They suffer from skin diseases allergies–?
Interviewer: Doctor you do not have to test out anything for patients because when patients come in front of you– viewers see how beautiful the system is that you do not have to do any kind of test if you visit any Sahaj doctor. Because they will analyse you just by looking at your personality that what disease are you having and what are its causes.
Dr Ira Joshi: Actually there are many Sahaj yogis who come to me and they request for some tests but many a time it happens that as their internal divine energy is awakened–
Interviewer: Let us assume that you are not a Sahaj yogi and you do not know anything about Mata Ji and any kind of patient can come to you as are a doctor, so for them what you do? Do you adopt the same path for them also?
Dr Ira Joshi: Will tell them a little bit about it, “that you think of this in this direction..” and when they show more interest then we tell them to do Sahaja Yoga.
Interviewer: So you do two works at a time, you Council them as well as treat them. Just like you have told our viewers about the problems that peoples with left-sided personality face like laziness, dullness, skin diseases or any other type of infection. And what about the problems that are faced by people with right-sided personality?
Dr Ira Joshi: I also would like to add this to the left-sided personality that the main problem is psychosomatic problem that is mental disorder so all the mental disorders that go in extreme fall in left-sided personality.
Interviewer: Can we say ‘stress’ is a reason?
Dr Ira Joshi: Stress can happen for many reasons and in stress, if we talked about depression it goes towards left-sided personality like in today time we are seeing children or students or who has started earning from an early age. And if they do not get things according to their wishes therefore they become depressed. So in persons with left-sided personality the depression can go in extreme up to suicidal tendency. So this type of problems which are based on past are traits of left-sided personality.
Interviewer: Depression is a disease about which doctor doesn’t declare anything like if you have broken a bone doctor tells you after seeing the x-ray that “you have broken a bone”. You are a doctor and you would know very well that there is no fixed pattern of depression like someone has depression for 5000 rupees and someone may be having depression for 5 lacs so money is not a determinant factor for depression. The cause may be anything in the world so what do you have to say about depression because it is the biggest problem of the youth of our country. This is also a problem for parents their children getting depressed if TV is not working properly, if he got 5 marks less then he became depressed. So because of this parents are in great trouble because in today’s time they do not scold their child, as they fear that their child may commit something terrible. So the situation of parents are really miserable in today’s date. Doctors advice parents not to raise their voices in front of the child and not to scold them.
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes parents counselling has become a very important thing nowadays.
Interviewer: This is entirely against the values of our religion and our culture and our civilization and our society and that we instead of advising children We are advising the parents.
Dr Ira Joshi: Shri Mataji had told about left-sided personality that ‘parents’ are a greater factor in depression of their children…
Interviewer: Viewers our topic of discussion have changed a little bit but before we will have some talk with her about children because there are many parents who are watching this episode and we are very fortunate that a doctor will explain this here that how to handle children’s or if we do Sahaj yoga then how we can handle kids efficiently? we can make them a responsible part of society.
First of all in behalf of our viewers we would like to know that what role did Sahaj yoga play in safeguarding the social values. In Sahaja Yoga we do collective meditation, we gather in a week together like I am from Indore so we have a gathering of all the Sahaj yogis from Indore and we have children’s in it also there are college going students, so we do meditation together. The environment becomes very positive with Shri Mataji’s lecture that we listen and we also do a laughing session so we live in happiness and joy and you should know that for curing depression Joy is necessary. So when children get that environment from their childhood so they see that the environment around them is such, so while growing up they gradually pick up that habits–
Interviewer: So there remains no scope of developing that suicidal tendency.
Dr Ira Joshi: No it is not that they do not have the suicidal tendency but the benefits of having Sahaja Yoga is that we know ourselves from our hands, so if we are going into depression we could realise it from our hands and therefore we do not need to go to any doctor.
Dr Ira Joshi: So viewers without doing any special effort or going to any doctor, we can take care of our children. We are continuing this conversation with Dr Ira Joshi. The next question that we will be asking her about the problems that people with right-sided personality face, and how these can be treated by Sahaj yoga without any special effort. So Ira ji we would like to know from you that what are their remedies and their reasons?
Dr Ira Joshi: People with right-sided personality as I have told you they always think about future, they did futuristic planning all the time you can say like money related things, or in field of fashion, in field of science or in any other field they have an extreme attitude so Shri Mataji have classified them as right-sided personality. And people with that kind of personality are aggressive and fighting nature and brag about themselves “I have done everything”, “I can do all the thing”.
Interviewer: We see this aggressiveness starts from childhood.
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes it starts from childhood, they develop egoistic attitude so these people develop diseases that are extreme in nature on the higher side their BP always remains high and problems related to that, so they will have diabetes problem and today globally if you see heart diseases diabetes problems are occurring more in India all over India. But we Sahaj Yogi safeguard ourselves to a great extent. So here also I would like to say the same thing that we become aware from our hands. Whether we have gone to right sided or left side?
Are we thinking more about future? So our hands tell us the answer and also liver related problem, problems related to digestion, asthma problem can also happen because of this. Migraine, tension headaches, Cerebral Vascular Accidents and what not? We can get more diseases on the right side. It is not that Sahaj yogi didn’t go to the right side but he knew it from his hands. And with easy techniques that were described by Shri Mataji, we treat ourselves. The flow that we have in our hands which she Mataji have called vibrations and these were described in Puranas. And now it is scientifically proved that we get vibrations in our hand. So from that, we know that the person is of right sided or left sided personality. And with this simple technique we can treat anyone.
Interviewer: We want to know something about Shri Mataji and she have to start this in 1970?
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes Sahaj yoga was started by Shri Mataji in 1970 from India, in Nargol, Gujrat.
Interviewer: It is a coastal area.
Dr Ira Joshi: It is a coastal area where it was started in 1970.
Interviewer: We have talked about two Nadis and scientific proofs, we have talked about depression, we have talked about diabetes and now we would like to ask you do you tell this to other doctors and you are also a doctor so what efforts you did so that other doctors may know this?
Dr Ira Joshi: The mind of the doctors is such where they do not accept it easily I have told many doctors about it and they also understand it very easily and they themselves accept it that “Madam I’m right sided or left sided” so they understand in the very first time.
Interviewer: You previously talked that when the baby is in mother’s womb and when that energy enters the womb then the heart beats begin it is understandable that to understand this a common man may take 15 days but being doctor they know everything Inside out then why it is difficult to accept for them?
Dr Ira Joshi: They listen to me and they understand every bit of it, they tell me “I understand what you are saying” but they don’t go one step ahead and make association with Sahaj.
Interviewer: But you will try again and again so that this truth may spread in your doctor fraternity. Maybe this is not helping doctors but a common man in India is having a great benefit because of this. Maybe lack of prosperity and always running in this race are the reasons for this imbalance?
Dr Ira Joshi: Yes you can say that and Shri Mataji have told that diabetes is a table work disease as the patient is engaged in mind works so he is suffering from this disease and so she has scientifically explained and connected directly this to the right channel of our body and which creates some activity in our brain from which organs in our stomach becomes vulnerable.
Interviewer: Dr Ira we are having great information from you regarding Sahaja Yoga. We have got a great chance of discussing with you in this program ‘Sahaja Yoga a unique Discovery and gift to mankind’ and really it is a gift because without spending a penny, you are overcoming thousands and thousands of problems of your life. What else we need? A sound body, a healthy mind is necessary to build a healthy Nation. Ira ji we would like to ask you a question that how simply/easily Sahaj yoga can be done which would like to know on behalf of our viewers?
Dr Ira Joshi: Like its name Sahaj is really very easy, you wake up early in the morning though it is not necessary but if you can then it is great and if we are able to give 10 minutes from 24 hours. Then it is a very great thing and we have to do it very easily, we do not have to put any effort the incidents will happened on its own and you become balance automatically and the energy which is inside you that is Kundalini it will arise on its own and it will get connected to the energy of God and the balance will happen automatically inside you.
Interviewer: Means when a person does Sahaj yoga he doesn’t have to worry about when the positivity will come in his life or when things will become ok be it mental, economical and physical. So it is your perception that things become balanced on its own. So, friends, it is a very simple technique you just have to donate 10 minutes of your time daily and by that, we can bring a positive change in our life, and at the end, we would like to have a message from Ira Ji that why we should do Sahaj yoga? Though throughout our conversation you have answered this thousand times, again please tell us as we haven’t understood anything.
Dr Ira Joshi: I believe that every person must do Sahaj yoga when you are in balance whatever you are doing be it your occupation or your service or your study or you are giving competitive exams or you want to appear on them you have to be in balance. And when you all in balance you will see that everything happens on its own and you started living a happy life.
Interviewer: So friends this was our today’s episode where we have met Dr Ira Joshi. Who came to Sahaj yoga in 2002 even after being in the medical profession she accepted this truth that there is something which is beyond science. And maybe this is the biggest truth that we have but when we started believing that this is not the end there is something beyond this also. Whether it is known, whether it is religion then our real journey starts in life a journey in which we will be meeting people who are related to Sahaj yoga from different parts from different professions, from different regions and different countries with only one objective like they have made the life beautiful you too without spending money just by introspection, for once realise that truth and improve your life’s journey. This is for all today we will be meeting soon with the next episode. With some new personality then we will start a new journey but the objective will be the same to make your life beautiful.
Narrator: Friends we will continue this journey we’ll be meeting different travellers, they will give something new message that may change your life. We will return with a new person, with a new enthusiasm.