Dr Nigam: Jai Shri Mataji, brother and sisters. I am not here to give a lecture. I am also like you, but when I came to Sahaj yoga I don’t think anybody was in as bad condition as I was. I do not want to elaborate on it anymore because people are getting bored listening to me. I am speaking for quite a long time now. But it is important to tell. Because when we are in Sahaj yoga there were only around 40 to 50 peoples in Delhi.
I was a medical practitioner so I got money flowing into my pockets from my younger days. I was a doctor and I knew how to earn money. when money came it brought late night parties, eating certain stuff with it. and in 1980 we shifted in Delhi and the same thing started here also.
It was in the month of July, I was shaving and all of a sudden I had a severe paralytic stroke. and it was so grievous that I couldn’t change position in bed for 2 months and for 1.5 months I visited Delhi AIIMS hospital for physiotherapy, and I couldn’t sleep for 13 months I would sleep only for 1 to 1.5 hours a day. and the condition was such that I was becoming mad. I used to have great anger. I was myself a doctor and I knew that a person suffering from paralysis can get well within 6 months. and if he doesn’t recover in this period then it is considered that he has become permanently handicapped. So I was also becoming a handicapped person and I was telling to my wife what were the days we had, we have so much grandeur and money, now everything is gone, we have fallen to the ground, we are now debt-ridden. We were broke from body, mind and money. and I told my wife “if you love me then let me die” because I am not going to recover and I know that I have become a burden, while I was saying that a gentleman came. He came to our house to ask for an address, so from that conversation we got to know that we are both from Kanpur. and it was surprising that he was my next door neighbour in Kanpur though I didn’t know him.
So he came and sat in the chair and in those days I do not come out of my bedroom not even in my drawing room. My condition was so bad. So he was talking to my wife and she said to me “You come and talk to him”. So she holds me and pulled me up, I used to walk with the help of crutch. We talked for 2-3 minutes, and then he asked “Doctor Sahab what happened with you?” I told him that “I had paralysis”. He was a little older than me, after listening he laughed and said “you are a doctor so I know that you wouldn’t believe me, but I want to request you to practice Sahaj yoga for few days”. so I told him “I don’t believe in these things, I am a happy-go-lucky guy”. He said “whatever you are telling is alright, just believe in my words, you just do it for 15 days only, and if you do not get any benefit just leave it, no one is asking for money from you”.
So the love with which he recommended Sahaj yoga to me, and the sentence which he uttered “just believe in my words, you just do it for 15 days only, and if you do not get any benefit just leave it.” so my heart told me, “this man, who even don’t know me and he is telling me with his heart, so I must do it” so I asked him “what I have to do” He said “I live nearby and in Saturday the centre is open and you come in that day”.
So we reached there on Saturday, 8 to 10 people were sitting there and it might be 12 X 14 ft room of a DDA flat. and the audio cassette was playing mothers speeches, and in those days video was not that popular, only audio cassettes. When it was finished, then Arati was done. and out of 10 people, 5 went away. and 4-5 peoples remained seated and they called me and told me to sit there, and they started to rise my Kundalini from behind, and were asking me “if you feel the cool breeze then inform us or even hot breeze”. After few minutes they asked, “are you feeling something?” I replied “no”, again they asked, I replied “no”. “Now?” I again replied “no”, then they asked “do you have any Guru”. I replied “no”. again they asked “do you pray to someone,” I said “no,” they said, “at least you must be believing in some God?”. I said “yes, actually when I was in class 10th, and I went with my friend to offer prasad to Lord Hanuman as he got first division in the final exams, there I also prayed to God that I will also offer Prasad if I got the first division in the exam. and therefore I went to that Hanuman Mandir to offer Prasad for nearly two-three weeks”. they said “Please leave Hanuman Ji aside for some time”
but I got serious and said “no matter if I had this breeze or not but I cannot forget Hanumanji” and the person who came to our house he was the wisest among them,
so he said to me “Doctor Ji, could you ask Mataji that are you Hanuman Ji?” the instant when I asked “Mataji are you Hanuman Ji?” instantly I felt the cool breeze, and now I was very confused. Mainly because I was a doctor, there was no reason for such phenomena. Did you did something from behind, and said to me “Doctor ji, you can ask anything you want now” I said “anything?” they said “Yes ask anything in your mind” then I ask a question, they were saying that Rathi Sahab what question you have asked? A lot of hot Breeze is coming out. I said ” I have asked a very bad question, Shri Mataji do you favour dacoit?” so with this question hot Breeze came out. and I was again very confused. I thought that they were hypnotizing me,
then I asked them “can I ask another question?” they said “yes you can” so I asked another question and this time cold Breeze came out. and they were telling us this time colder breeze is coming out, what have you asked? I asked “Shri Mataji are you an avatar of Durga?” and the cold Breeze came out instantly. Then I was more confused than ever, sometimes it is hot air and sometimes it is cold. Then they said ” Dr Sahib come next week again” they give me a photo and said to make it a frame of it and do meditation in front of it and when I was walking out they stopped me, they said ” today you have to do this thing, you have to take a bucket with 1/4th of water, and mix handful of salt in it, and placing your legs in that water sit in front of that picture”.
Why I am telling about this because today there are a lot of methods that have come up for foot soaking but this was very very simple. You see, I haven’t seen Shri Mataji face to face as she was residing in England at that time, and it was the time of 1981. So after I reached home I did what they have instructed me I took a bucket and filled 1/4th of it with water and after mixing salt in it I placed my legs and sat in front of mother’s picture.
and as I didn’t have any frame for that photo, I placed that photo on the table. They have also said to lit a candle or lamp. and I forget to do that. as they have told me I was doing the same, I was watching the photo, but one thing that they had told me “watch the photo with love like that you do for your mother” and you do not need to do anything more. and I did it for 10 minutes and then I went to sleep after that. and believe me, a person who hasn’t slept for past 13 months was sleeping, my wife went out for some necessary work outside at 8 a.m. and when she returned around 10:30 a.m. She saw me sleeping in the same position as I was in the night, and for a minute she thought that I was dead. So she nervously came and try to wake me up, and I was at peace because I had a good sleep after 13 months. So I hurriedly called Wing Commander Mr Verma Ji who sadly passed away now, I said ” I got great sleep after so many months” then he replied casually ” it happens, you don’t need to worry about it and advise to me to continue this” so I continued it for 3 days. Previously I used to talk in a rather strange way as portions of my mouth and tongue were also paralyzed, I could not eat properly I often chew my own tongue and it would bleed. I was horrified to see my own face in the mirror. After 4 to 5 days my wife told me that now when you speak I can understand it. on those days I used to angry as they bring something else when I was asking for “water”.
It so happened that one day the calling Bell Rang and there was no one in the room and door was locked from inside, so when I listened to the door bell I spontaneously stood up and walked towards the closed door to opened it, then I realised that I’m able to stood up and walked without the help of crutches, and I was so happy and see the coincidence that after 3-4 days Shri Mataji came to Delhi, and her first program was very near to our house. Though I had good sleep in those 4-5 days, I do not know about her being the Adi Shakti ( primordial energy) or anything. I sat in the front row in that program and she started her lecture, and she instructed to raise the Kundalini but I could not able to raise my hand when she saw that she said “anyone please bring him up on the stage” I told her everything, she assured me that everything will be alright. There she sat on the chair and I sat down on the stage, and she put her legs over my back. and continued her speech. Later when I started to walk away, she again assured me not to worry, everything will be alright. I asked her one question “Shri Mataji I haven’t seen you directly nor it is that they have given me any medicine, so how I became alright?” basically I am a doctor so I have always this curiosity of how this happened.
She said to do a research on this, I said I didn’t know anyone, she said: “no no, you try”.
So Dr U.C Rai was my brother-in-law, he was head of the department of physiology in lady Hardinge medical college in Delhi. Now it is Maulana Azad Medical College. So I went to him and said to him to do a research on it. Then he said that “there have been too much research on yoga and so now no one wants to put their money in this, as positive results are not coming”
so I returned and told this thing to Shri Mataji, she said “please don’t worry, you keep sticking to it” and watch mother’s miracle after 4-5 days, Dr U.C Rai, himself got ill. and he went to the hospital and admitted himself. The mother told me, there were few people there and also foreigners were present Dr Warren, Dr Bobdon, Dr Rustam were there, they were old doctors, we 4-5 doctors went to his Hospital and give him vibrations there and on the next day he was discharged and we told him to go and meet Shri Mataji. Then he met the mother and after that, the research on Sahaj yoga was carried out, and there were first to doctors who got the MD we all know about them.
Now the thing which I wanted to say, Sahaj yoga is also a part of Medical Science and we are very sorry that being doctors the way we should have attacked. I remember I was talking to Shri Mataji and suddenly it came from my mouth that “it is the time that when we should attack” she replied “yes, but before that you have to know, is your army ready or not?”.
On that day I couldn’t understand that but today I can. One thing which I want to say simply, that why Shri Mataji has kept its name “Sahaj yoga”? We all know that it was born in front of us, and why it got it’s name till now you haven’t understood it.
‘Sahaj’ means very simple, why we are complicating this simple thing. It is a very important thing to understand, what simple is? let me clear it to you, take a lump of clay and throw it, it will fall towards the ground. Now you will say it is because of the gravitational force that it dropped in the ground, but I must say no, because it is the part of the Earth, so our Earth is trying to attracting its own part towards it. Anything that comes out of earth will be attracted by Earth, for example, this handkerchief which is made of earth, if I drop it will fall and if you drop the spectacles it will go down towards the earth, that means it was also made of the earth element. So every element made out of earth will be attracted by earth because it loves its own part. Now for example, if you take water, if you drop water from a height it will go down towards the sea, all the rivers ultimately falls to the sea, why? because they came out of sea itself they are a part of the sea. So they want to meet their original body. Now if you take fire for example when you lit something the flames will always go up but never go down. because the sun is there up in the sky and they want to meet the sun, so is the air, you take balloon for example when you release a balloons air it rushes to meet the air outside. Just like that, the sky element, you build a house, but the sky tells everything is mine in 100 years it will break apart, again it will be built and again it will break down after 500 years, but Sky will remain there.
So everybody tries to attract their own element towards them. Similarly, you are a part of Almighty God, so all the people here, we see that you have to do this and that. Now when I hear this thing I find it funny because more than us god is very much interested in creating a connection with us. God wants that their children come to him, but because of our own fault, we have stopped our soul from meeting him. If we release it, it will go we don’t have to do anything only one thing we have to do is that what we are doing we must get rid of that, like it is better to let it go of the lump of clay, likewise if you can let it go of our attachments we can directly go to God, we do not have to do anything it may happen that few people might get upset with me.
In our times when Shri Mataji used to come to Delhi, I was fortunate that at that time there is no Sahaj Yogi to be with mother for 24 hours, mother used to live alone in a single room. It was Shri Mataji’s blessings that I was cure of paralysis, in fact, the happening of paralysis was also a blessing in disguise, as in those days, fortunately, I got an imported car so I was told that “You will accompany Mataji and work as her attendant”, though I didn’t have any earlier experience of being an attendant. I used to go there in morning and stay there till night, my wife and my two children. Shri Mataji not for once talked about Sahaj yoga, she used to talk about “That place got sarees, that place got good woodcraft…” I have told Shri Mataji twice that “please come to our UP” and she replied “your UP have tormented Sita Ji so much, I will never go” after that also I have requested her many times but she was very stubborn, but it was just casual talk.
But what I want to say is that when the Sahaj yoga started in that room there was a picture of Shri Mataji and we used to lit one candle in front of it in a total of 3-4 peoples used to come and meet. and we used to see there on the ground and Shri Mataji used to sit on the chair and she used to instruct from there “he’s left side is caught(disturbed)” and we didn’t know about it, she told us to do their candling. So that candle which was placed in front of Shri Mataji’s picture, we use to pick that up and we used to do the candling of the left side. and people used to get the benefit. and now today we see people using three candle or four candles, and somewhere a person lit 11 candles, what I want to say is that if your left side is disturbed, the left side is your moon channel. the moon is cold so to balance it out you use fire element no matter if you use candle, lamp or camphor. the main thing is the fire element. right side is the hot side, and to balance it out what we do is “water element”, so what we did for that? We used to take a bucket filling it with one fourth of water and mixing handful of salt in it, and when it was done we needed to properly wash our feet, and throw the water in the drain, it was the starting of Sahaj yoga and everyone used to get the benefit from it. The main thing is if we can let the Sahaj yoga be Sahaj(easy) then it is unparalleled. Now you will ask me a question about how to do meditation/concentration. Now, how can I make you believe that the meditation that you have to do is upon the picture of Shri Mataji. There will be the picture of Shri Mataji you have to see it and remember her closing your eyes and if you do not know the mantra there is no problem, you just need to remember her. The moment you close your eyes two things will happen either you will be having a sleepiness or you will have numerous thoughts, as soon as sleepiness comes to open your eyes, see the picture and then close your eyes and remember her. In the beginning for two-three times you will be having sleeplessness, also you can wash your face and then sit again. I can repeat that procedure. and slowly slowly you will feel that Shri Mataji is coming onto your Chitta, see we people don’t talk about the real issue, in those times when we used to meet also the world leaders come together Shri Mataji always say that “son you have to recognise me” at the beginning we used to think that what to recognise more about her she is sitting in front of us, but the reality is the time she was there among us we could not recognise her but now when she has gone we can understand that who she was, even today if she come here and stands in front of me I could not mak eye contact with her because I am ashamed of the fact that I used to make foolish questions, like “how did you know Shri Mataji?” and she used to say that “son, your mother knows everything”.
I do not want to elongate this but I want to speak to 2-3 points, in this world you say a person who is atheist that means he doesn’t believe in God, leave human being, our sages have told that all animals cow, goat all believe in God. So they were asked how they can believe in God? actually, they need happiness, if a cow gets green grass she will be happy and everyone needs happiness. and Slowly Slowly that cow evolved and became a human being. So human being also need happiness, in the beginning, he starts to earn money then buy a car, house, land but he doesn’t get joy.
But how to get the joy? You want to get happiness yourself, you will never get happiness like this. Believe me that if you want happiness yourself will not get happiness. Happiness is of two types, first is, happiness is from the dead to dead thing, you got a rasagulla can you eat it and it’s tasty, so rasagulla is a dead thing so is your taste, so this is called happiness from one material object to one material object. So it is with any food, or beautiful car so this is called happiness from one material object to another. The second happiness is from material to consciousness, which we have got in the form of self-realisation, so in a way, we are realised, souls.
So when we are in thoughtless state we feel the happiness, and when that thoughtless state disappears we again get engaged in the worldly affairs, does it happen or not? and the biggest happiness is, the happiness of consciousness to consciousness. I remember once,she used to say sudden deep things in such a casual manner “Son I want all of you do my worshipping through Sahasrara” but unfortunately at that time we didn’t understand that. and that is called the happiness of consciousness to consciousness. and this is the thing that we have to understand. when we will get it, then, in reality, we will understand who Shri Mataji is? The simplest thing to do is meditation and do Shri Mataji’s work, whenever you tell someone about Shri Mataji’s work your own Kundli new will arise and we know this phenomenon very well, I do not want to repeat it.
The moment you starts speaking about Sahaj yoga, our Kundalini started to rise, all those who are sitting were very young fellows when they came to Sahaj and see where they have reached. and now their bhajan are so popular that it is sung throughout the world.
I will give you an example which might make you laugh, if you place 4 gold coins in one side and keep green grass in another side in front of a cow what will it choose, why will it take the green grass because she doesn’t know anything about the golden coin.
But if you please for Golden coins in one side and God in another side in front of a man and if you ask him to take whatever you want, the man will choose for golden coins, not the God. because for him happiness resides in those things only.
God is the only happiness and when you become his image you will get that happiness, until and unless, happiness is unstable, you will be happy in this moment and sad in the other. The main thing is that if you want one thing other will follow. If you want happiness sadness will follow it, and this will continue. and when you get self-realization then you can get God.
If you can understand this small thing, there are three things in this world and five elements and nothing else. we all know about the five elements like Sky, air, water, fire, Earth and wise people know about the three things one is almighty God, the another is jivatma(Huma soul) we all are jivatmas and another is Maya. Once a child is born maya has always followed it. and it is applicable to all, be it a human child or infant animal he/she is attracted towards his/her mother this is Maya, the mother is attracted towards her child.
So that is God, and we are the jivatma and this is maya. and now if you go towards Maya you will be going ahead from God. and if you go away from maya you will meet God. and this is called detachment, to get away from Maya and to go near God. This is the main thing, we often hear people say I am fully surrendered in service of Mataji so I hear this thing I find it funny. In ’84’s lecture, Shri Mataji have told, you cannot surrender unto me completely until and unless you are fully detached. So don’t bring detachment and enjoy life fully. .. you all know that we have limited time in our hand, any brother who have questions regarding Sahaj yoga they must ask because when I will finish you will all come together and will start to ask your own questions to me.
Person1: they will not ask for medical, it is happening opposite this time. he is a doctor knows everything about medical sciences but don’t ask anything from Medical because it will take time. and mothers lecture also not happened. so whatever question you want to ask you can ask on spirituality, upon Sahaj yoga.
Dr Nigam: OK I will clarify it, few people have asked me, “Do we have to do that daily that was told in medical seminar?”
No, you have to understand this thing first. As he has told you in one leg with hot water and another leg with cold water but you do not know this thing in Vashi Hospital there came a foreigner they tried hot water in one leg and cold water in another leg, and he was discharged from the hospital and when he reached his country, he did the publicity claiming that this is a new technique which was told. And When Shri Mataji came to know about this, so she said that it was a part of research so it is not necessary for everyone to do that. Secondly, there are many things what the doctor have told you, you can find them in Vashi hospital or Noida Hospital, it is for those hospitals. For you, the simple techniques like candling, foot soaking, or shoe beating is there and do nothing else.
I want to share one experience with you which open my eye, though I had experiences in different parts of the world Russia, Italy, England, America, Australia France whole of Europe. and Russia is a big part of my experience although I will not bring it here because the time is very less. so one experience was there which literally shook me, it was a time of 1983 Shri Mataji came and told me “Dr Sahab my younger daughter Sadhana who is in Patna is very angry that I do not give her time, so in this month I’ll to go Patna” so I said “yes Mataji” she said ” I will be going there for 15 days” and it was the same time when I also applied for holidays, so I asked her “as you are going can I come to go somewhere for holidays?”
so she granted my application and said “please return before that aforesaid date” and she went to Patna and we went to Ranikhet and other places to visit. climbing near the mountain of Kausani there our friend who was a year junior doctor, I got him by chance there who was with his wife. So we stopped and we talked, we were meeting after 17 years. he was one year junior to me. he knew that I was practising but he didn’t know that I had paralysis.
So he said “I have listened that you are earning great money” so in return I asked, “what you are doing?” I do not know anything about him what he was doing, so he said “I am an ENT surgeon” I said “very good!”
I tried hard to explain about Kundalini awakening, but he does not accept it, he said ” I’m ready to believe anything you say, but it is not easy to awaken Kundalini that quickly” so our conversation finished he got in his way and we got in our way. next day I went to pickup Shri Mataji from airport and ask her “how was your trip?” she said “it was fine” and she asked me that “how was your trip?” I said it was fine, “I got a friend, he didn’t believe that Kundalini can be awake that quickly” she asked “what was his name?”, I said “Dr Bhatnagar”, she said ” OK, he is ENT surgeon?” the moment when she said “ENT surgeon” I was awestruck, I was thinking, that for 17 years I didn’t know about him so how did she Mataji knew? so without any hesitation I asked her “Mataji how come she knew that?” and she had the same sentence to repeat “son, your mother knows everything!” but this time I was very much stubborn for the fact that if I didn’t knew about him, how could she know? and you couldn’t believe me, I was kind of upset and I sat kept my face on other side like a child. and she called me once but I ignored, and I was behaving like a child who was upset with her mother. So she said “don’t you believe me,” I said Shri Mataji “please tell the truth, how could you know that” then she elaborately described, and which I think is something which everybody should know. she said, “have you told me everything?” I said “yes” she said “when I asked you his name you said Dr Bhatnagar, and in that instant my Vishuddhi was caught, therefore he must be a doctor of Vishuddhi means an ENT doctor, and this is the reason why I said he is ENT surgeon” these are few experiences which change you as a person.
I don’t know how many such experiences are there, I was lucky to witness how sea come to Shri Mataji. Two instances such happened that I was in Russia at that time on the eve of World Yoga Conference and it is the year of 1989 and from India, me and Dr U.C Rai was sent, two doctors came from London and two doctors came from Australia so in total we were 8 to 10 peoples there. It was organised by the government of Russia. We were officially invited so professor Elin was its director he called us a day before “Dr Sahab you must come one day prior and check all the necessary arrangements, as it is a big conference anything that you need I can arrange it for you” so we went there 7-8 people what we see there? and in those Times Rajneesh was very popular and her daughter came for this event too and she had created a ruckus like “don’t do this thing don’t do that thing” and we were standing for 2 hours straight, and she didn’t give us a chance to speak, ultimately we talk to doctor, “sir, we do not need anything we just need charts to hang we will also do not need computers”.
So we were prepared to return now see we were all senior doctors who were present there and there was a boy who was local Russian and knew very little English he said to me “uncle why not shoe beating?” and this idea didn’t come to our mind! we go to the house and told that boy to do the shoe beating, and in the 7-day seminar that lady was admitted to hospital for all these 7 days and was not able to come. and after all these things were finished when we give the information to Shri Mataji she laughed very much, and she asked us “Aren’t all of you coming to pooja?” and here we are with limited money in pockets, in Russia. She again asked “are you all not coming to pooja” no one replied. So we were three people me, Dr Bobdon he is also a very senior doctor now he is in Australia, another one was Lefnagora he was Italian and actually he was half sahayogi, in reality, he was a very clever man. the next day we went and the rule was if you are in a foreign country, if you have a passport of London and then can go anywhere they want, so they do not need visa, but we need visa, the rule was we must come to India and collect the Visa and then go there, and one day before there was one Mr Shrivastava who was in foreign department so we got to know him, so we requested him that we are in great problem please help us. he said “ok I had a friend in the Italian Embassy, ok I’ll try if he can do anything” I will give you a letter and you will go there, I will call him beforehand. and he called him and luckily that man was there and the next day we went to him and submitted our passports and he said to us to come in evening. Later in that day, he put the ‘visa’ label in my passport, all happened in one day! and give it to me, I was very happy seeing it. and he asked for the letter, and unfortunately I do not have the letter. We forget to take the letter from him. So he snatched the passport from my hands. and where it was written “visa” there he wrote “annullato” means cancelled in Italian. and you can understand our condition, we were about to go day after tomorrow, and today our passport was cancelled. We return at night and meet Mr Shrivastava, and told him everything. he said OK I will give the letter, so we again went with the letter in the morning, but he said you will get the visa tomorrow. so we have to travel with our luggage from Moscow to Rome from there we have to travel to another place where Pooja was held, Montecatini. We got to know the address of Mataji. and after we get the visa we run towards Moscow airport and got the flight, and reached the Rome in 7:30 pm and from there we took the taxi quickly so that we could reach the station on time, now we have to catch a train.
In Italy we don’t know this beforehand that after 9:30 p.m the station are locked no trains run after that time. When we reach there after running, sweating and with hunger, they putting the lock and signalled us to go out. and we come and set outside when we were hopeless that we could not go tomorrow morning and attend the pooja. So that clever man among us saw a light flickering at a distance in ticker counter, so he reached there and asked the person “brother we want to go to this place, is there other way” he replied “you will get the train tomorrow”
I said “I have a very urgent work you cannot think about it! please help me” but he said “I’m sorry I cannot do anything” as we were returning from there, he called us “there is a train which is going to pass from here”.
People in Italy are crazy about football you cannot think about their passion. he told us that a train was going to pass over this station, and if it stops here you can board it. So we asked for the ticket. So he said “I cannot give you tickets because it is not allowed to give tickets after 9:00 p.m.”
We were so desperate that we got into the train without any ticket, which was fully packed with passengers all of them were shouting and three fourth of them were drugged, and drunk. there was not even a space to stand. and as we entered the train three people who were sitting got up and came outside maybe they had any business with their friend and so we got three vacant places to sit. In our India people just jump on the vacant seat but in foreign countries they do not do like that so fortunately, we got the seat.
And that Italian friend told me that if any ticket collector comes do not speak anything just shut your mouth, he will guess that you are a drunk. Otherwise, it will be very difficult. and What happened was that after 10 minutes the ticket collector came, and I was very worried because I knew if they caught me here without a ticket I am sure to land in jail there is no other way and bribery is not something that works there. and we do not have enough money for that also. and the ticket collector shouted at us “what kind of persons they are, they are drunk” then he went away.
And in the morning we reached that station. and we were very hungry, thirsty and we don’t have enough money to spend. and we had little time for the next train, so we wash our faces in the basin and took one sandwich each and one cup of coffee. and while we just started eating the train came. so we ran hurriedly to catch the train. Shri Mataji had told us that as you are coming to Russia take the damaged computer with you. Somehow we boarded the train and When Dr Bogdon came in he realised that he had forgotten the computer in the platform so he jumped off and ran to take that computer, though train was slow the door was about to close we two peoples stood there in such a way that we do not let the door close, so Dr Bogdon was able to board the train again.
We asked someone that we have to go Montecatini? when the train started running that passenger said it’s fourth station.
There is a Peculiar habit in foreigners that they do not ask questions to anyone as if it will be an insult to their reputation. and I was an Indian so I asked the person sitting beside me “I have to go to Montecatini when will it come?” so he asked me “which Montecatini p or t?”
There are two Montecatini stations Montecatini p and Montecatini T. and now we do not know where we have to go, we just have Montecatini written in our address. anyway, we get off the train on the first Montecatini station. We do not have that much money, we three people loaded our luggage on a small trolley and went to that address, it was a small Hamlet. we were restless, hungry and drenched in sweat, wearing dirty clothes and what not, when we reached that address we found nothing. We asked the trolley men “There was a puja going to happen here, what happen to it?” He said “yes it was going to happen here but they changed the place” and now we have no idea what was the new place? and you now think a person who have come from Moscow to Montecatini and the time was already 10:45 a.m and Pooja was about to start from 11 a.m. So other than praying to God, we have nothing to do.
One thing we did that we put the big badges on our shirts. Hoping to see someone outside and we were carrying the trolley. Hungry, thirsty, dirty, and drenched in sweat we were walking down the road, and suddenly a car came from behind and stopped. and asked us “Sahaj Yogi? Where is the pooja?” we said “we ourself do not know” so he requested us to sit in the car and we sat on the car, and it was a small Hamlet of only 3-4 km, and we were making rounds of it hoping to see someone, we were able to see two ladies who were wearing saree, and we understood that they were Sahaj Yogis we went near them “where is the pooja?” and they show the direction, it was just 100 yards. and in that condition, we went there pull luggage out of the trolley.
As we were just climbing the stairs we saw Shri Mataji standing and she asked “OK, you have come?” we said “Shri Mataji we are dirty we didn’t have a bath yet” she said “there is no need of bathing, you are already bath from inside” and made us seat in front row of the Puja ceremony, We the most dirtiest in the crowd! so this was basically a demonstration of willpower.
Now have you any questions? You can ask now. do not ask later.
Person2: I have started my life from 1970 in a different field, I have been into public life and also I am living it now. but after coming here one thing that I felt very different whose answer I want it is “you cannot be a Sahaj yogi unless you are 100% surrendered to it how much this is justified”
Dr Nigam: Anyone who havetold you that you are not 100% surrendered, you cannot do so. I will give a small example for this, when we were new in this, we were very much habituated to listen that “your this Chakra is disturbed, your that Chakra is disturbed etc etc”, but believe me, the person who tells you this all the time, his own Chakra is disturbed. If you are a real Sahaj yogi and you know which Chakra is disturbed believe me tell him a joke and his Kundalini will arise. You haven’t heard of Shri Mataji’s lectures. But we did and also personally we regularly met her so she used to tell us many things which I could tell you but the time is not enough. she used to tell us “you do not need to do anything, your Kundalini will arise automatically but you never forget me” if you remember Shri Mataji, your Kundalini will arise automatically and there is no need of discussion, come to the centre daily and do the meditation and you don’t have to do anything. Shri Mataji will pull you up. like earth attracts the lump of clay towards itself likewise do not forget the mother, just remember Shri Mataji.
Person3: You went to Nepal with Shri Mataji, at that time I was not a Sahaja Yogi. So please share with us your experience in Nepal and what mother told about how Nepal can progress, we do not get enough time to question you, as we got this opportunity please share your experience in Nepal?
Dr Nigam: I went to Nepal three times, first time, there were two Sahaj yogis Herbert and Lisa, unfortunately, they both passed away, they were both Sahaj yogis, a boy used to work for them he also become Sahaj Yogi, so next time we went with Shri Mataji, and she always said that this is such a place where Sahaj yoga can flourish.
We didn’t understand at that time. and she praised all the Nepali people, she used to say all the Nepali people are very innocent and true people. They just need awakening, now again I will take two more minutes, because it is important to tell you how simple Sahaj yoga is, take a table and throw iron dust over it and if you stroke it with golden wand nothing will happen, stroke it with silver wand nothing will happen, stroke it with wooden wand nothing will happen and the movement you stroke it with a magnet all the iron dust stick to it, why? because magnet has that power which can pull the iron up. and in the same way, our Shri Mataji have the power whenever we remember her our Kundalini is attracted towards her. So you do not have to do anything, it is Shri Mataji who is doing it all. Though we have seen all these things but it will take some time for you to understand it. Only thing does not say bad things about others, just think your body is made up of clay if someone passes bad remarks at you, you think that they are saying this to a clay, not me.
And there is a story of Gautam Buddha I don’t know how many times I have told this, he used to go different villages and spread his teachings, and once he was gone in such a village to give lectures, and after the program a man stood up and said, “Sir, you give lectures daily and my wife is sitting here for 3 hours and there my children are hungry”, and like that he insulted Gautam Buddha and even throw some slang at him. and Gautam Buddha went away without protesting, villages told that man Buddha was telling good things and as you said bad things to him, he has now has gone away and all the people scolded him and after that he understood His fault.
In the morning he went to next village where today Gautam Buddha was about to give his lecture, and there he said “sir, please forgive me” and Gautam Buddha replied “who are you?” He said “sir, yesterday I behaved very badly with you” and Gautam Buddha said “I do not remember such things, I forgive you”. He said “no you haven’t forgiven me” and he was sure that Gautama Buddha haven’t forgiven him, so Buddha understand that this person is not going to understand easily. Buddha said to him “Ok tell me one thing, when you invite guests to your house what you do for him?” he said “we clean our houses, we cook good food, we serve him the food” Now if you think you have invited a guest and you have cook food for him, but that guest said he is already ate food from home. So what you do with that food? he said ” we keep that food, either we eat that in the morning or we throw it away” so he said “Oky, the bad words that you give me, I haven’t ate that, and now you can keep it, eat it or throw it away”.
Person4: Doctor sahab I have two questions to ask, he said that we haven’t seen any God, but has seen the idols. and we get an idea of how God looks, we haven’t seen the soul and now what soul is? how it looks? Shri Mataji tells that to keep our Chitta on the soul and we keep our Chitta on heart so where is the soul?
Dr Nigam: This is the question?
The soul that you have is a reflection of Almighty God in your heart. and it is so subtle that it cannot be seen, but it has great power to lighten up every part of your body when you go to the Nirvikalpa(samadhi), all of you have experienced that, it makes every part of your body cool. So that subtle thing has that great power. now, for example, this is a big pandal and if there is a load-shedding there will be darkness everywhere, now if we lit a small bulb, it will lighten up this big pandal, the soul which is in your heart it makes your whole body conscious and because of it you get the cool vibrations.
Person4: Doctor Sahab I have one more questions, time is very short, and it is related to medical, I have a great to urge yawn every time.
Dr Nigam: This is your question?
Person4: Yes this is it.
Dr Nigam: Well we do not have much time left, otherwise I would have told you a story, so let forget that. If too much yawning is coming then you must try to clear your left side, and then the right side. One thing that I wanted to tell you that nowadays people say “mother has told this..” but mother has also said not to read any book, not to read any newspaper.
All the senior people can you remember, in the beginning Shri Mataji had told us not to read newspaper or any book and so after 7-8 years in the morning when we went, she asked “what is the news doctor sahib?” and I said “Shri Mataji I do not read the newspaper.” she exclaimed “hey! don’t you read the newspaper? you should read the newspaper if Sahaj Yogi does not read the newspaper then how would your Chitta go towards the problems in the whole world.”
So similarly it was good in the beginning but became bad afterwards. So a time come sometime around in 86-87 when medical people with talking about “Shri Mataji there too much medical related questions coming, let’s print a book for them”. So that book was printed, and it was distributed and many people have brought it. and after 3-4 months people started coming and complaining, “Sir, we are not having any benefit from this statement?” so I asked “what is your problem actually?” and when he stated his problem, I went to Shri Mataji and said “the treatment that you have told is being practiced by all, be it for left sided one or for right sided one” she quickly said “urgently stop this book” and the book was banned very fast. Now you see the book was published earlier and banned later.
Likewise, there was a gentleman from our Noida he used to check his watch when Shri Mataji was about to go, so Shri Mataji scolded him, “It is me, who is going out so why are you checking your watch” and after 3 years when she came she presented a wrist watch to that gentleman.
It is her play.
So in the end, I would like to say, what is life? In older times when Kings used to attack another Kingdom, the procedure was that the army was to lead an attack on village, kill 10-15 peoples, set the houses in fire and then plunder them and established their rule. and when they have done all these things, the king used to come in the palanquin, so this was the general rule.
This happened with Alexander, the moment he crossed the Sindhu river and his army men were leading in front they fought and they said they have won, and Alexander sat in the palanquin and came from behind. He saw a person on the banks of the river, sleeping wrapping the sheet.
He was greatly surprised, where everybody is running for their life and here he is sleeping. So he when to him and asked him “what you are doing here?” and he replied, “I am sleeping, but what you are doing here Alexander?” Alexander replied “I am here to conquer your country,”. He said, “Okay, then what you will do?” Alexander replied “then I will conquer the next country” and then he said, “Okay, then after that what you will do?”. Alexander was enraged he said “I will conquer the whole world”. He said “Okay, then after that what you will do?” then he said “then I will sleep peacefully”, then he replied “that is what I am doing right now, if you want you can sleep beside me, and for doing this there is no need to fight”.
Jai Shri Mataji, thank you very much for all of you.